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Dear Brian, I really enjoyed what you say and how you said it. Coaching is a field needs to improve itself via feedbacks coming from coaches also. But when "it is a sin" people are afraid of talking about it. I see a a risk about ICF's apraoches sessions it is still keeping the rules when coaching first moved... people, needs and knowledge is changing... when we talk about a session for a client to support hem/her for "some result" there are so many things need to be included... knowledge, experince, wisdom, facilitation, embodyment... My experience and observation everybody gives advice. maybe not in the early time of coaching but later absolutly whether they pu consultant/mentor/trainer hat or not... I can not be more agree with what Marshall says... if there is a knowledge which can help the client ( lack of experience about to topic or lack of the knowledge can block the client) if there is a an advice which might really help it is not clever not the share it. powerful and smart q's are usefull but not always... coach should be good enough to understand clients meta programmes. coach can understand what is the good time to share... best

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